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Stephendare
04-02-2007, 01:12 PM
Justices: EPA Can Control Car Emissions

MARK SHERMAN | AP | April 2, 2007 11:59 AM EST (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20070402/scotus-greenhouse-gases)

WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court ordered the federal government on Monday to take a fresh look at regulating carbon dioxide emissions from cars, a rebuke to Bush administration policy on global warming.

In a 5-4 decision, the court said the Clean Air Act gives the Environmental Protection Agency the authority to regulate the emissions of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases from cars.

Greenhouse gases are air pollutants under the landmark environmental law, Justice John Paul Stevens said in his majority opinion.

The court's four conservative justices _ Chief Justice John Roberts and Justices Samuel Alito, Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas _ dissented.

Many scientists believe greenhouse gases, flowing into the atmosphere at an unprecedented rate, are leading to a warming of the Earth, rising sea levels and other marked ecological changes.

The politics of global warming have changed dramatically since the court agreed last year to hear its first global warming case.

"In many ways, the debate has moved beyond this," said Chris Miller, director of the global warming campaign for Greenpeace, one of the environmental groups that sued the EPA. "All the front-runners in the 2008 presidential campaign, both Democrats and Republicans, even the business community, are much further along on this than the Bush administration is."

Democrats took control of Congress last November. The world's leading climate scientists reported in February that global warming is "very likely" caused by man and is so severe that it will "continue for centuries." Former Vice President Al Gore's movie, An Inconvenient Truth _ making the case for quick action on climate change _ won an Oscar. Business leaders are saying they are increasingly open to congressional action to reduce greenhouse gases emissions, of which carbon dioxide is the largest.

Carbon dioxide is produced when fossil fuels such as oil and natural gas are burned. One way to reduce those emissions is to have more fuel-efficient cars.

The court had three questions before it.

_Do states have the right to sue the EPA to challenge its decision?

_Does the Clean Air Act give EPA the authority to regulate tailpipe emissions of greenhouse gases?

_Does EPA have the discretion not to regulate those emissions?

The court said yes to the first two questions. On the third, it ordered EPA to re-evaluate its contention it has the discretion not to regulate tailpipe emissions. The court said the agency has so far provided a "laundry list" of reasons that include foreign policy considerations.

The majority said the agency must tie its rationale more closely to the Clean Air Act.

"EPA has offered no reasoned explanation for its refusal to decide whether greenhouse gases cause or contribute to climate change," Stevens said. He was joined by his liberal colleagues, Justices Stephen Breyer, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and David Souter, and the court's swing voter, Justice Anthony Kennedy.

The lawsuit was filed by 12 states and 13 environmental groups that had grown frustrated by the Bush administration's inaction on global warming.

In his dissent, Roberts focused on the issue of standing, whether a party has the right to file a lawsuit.

The court should simply recognize that redress of the kind of grievances spelled out by the state of Massachusetts is the function of Congress and the chief executive, not the federal courts, Roberts said.

His position "involves no judgment on whether global warming exists, what causes it, or the extent of the problem," he said.

The decision also is expected to boost California's prospects for gaining EPA approval of its own program to limit tailpipe emissions of greenhouse gases. Federal law considers the state a laboratory on environmental issues and gives California the right to seek approval of standards that are stricter than national norms.

The case is Massachusetts v. EPA, 05-1120.

JaxInvestor
04-02-2007, 02:05 PM
anyone see the 60 minutes piece sunday night on the southern tip of S america and the trip down to the melting glaciers of antarctica? there the penguin population has decreased by 60% over the last 3-4 years as a result of less ice - which has been the home for the krill (shrimp-like animal) that the penguins feed on. it was quite interesting.

Jim
04-02-2007, 02:28 PM
Wait a minute....CO2 wasn't considered a pollutant until the Supreme Court ruled so?

Bentnail
04-02-2007, 07:56 PM
No, the Supreme Court stated that EPA has jurisdiction over the tailpipe CO2 emissions. CO2 in itself is not a pollutant. You depend on it about every 3-4 seconds to breathe. That is what triggers your breath response. When freediving, how do you stay under water longer? Exhale some air as it will decrease the CO2 in your lungs and reduce the breathing reflex. I do it all the time. Because CO2 in its non green house gas form is not a pollutant, the Court had to rule that the build up of this substance is a pollutant, or a contributor to societal debilitating affects. This is the significance of the decision.

The Bush Administration, (read not Bush, but Executive Branch), has been trying to block environmental policies based on global warming. The opposition to this phenomena is starting to border on the truly absurd because they don't have palm trees growing in Minnesota. The earliest signs are from the animal species that are adjusting negatively and positively to the changes in warming. People keep hanging onto the ideal of maintaining the status quo like those that insisted the universe revolves around the earth. How much proof do they need :rolleyes:

At this point I propose the following. For all those that believe Global Warming and climate change are real issues, move to the west coast and northwest, or other regions not susceptible to sea level rise and increased storm activity. For all those that don't believe Global Warming and climate change are issues, you can have all the property of the Florida Keys and S.E. Florida. Its yours, knock yourself out, enjoy the Tiki Bar in Isla Morada and Sloppy Joe's. Are you willing to bet your long term investment in your property?

Charleston native
04-03-2007, 08:50 AM
^ It is absurd to think humans are the cause of global warming. Just wait, eventually the Supreme Court will make our breathing a pollutant. :mad:

Bentnail
04-03-2007, 01:07 PM
^ It is absurd to think humans are the cause of global warming. Just wait, eventually the Supreme Court will make our breathing a pollutant.

Why is it absurd? We control the flow of Niagra Falls, we control the surface level of the Great Lakes, we've dried up rivers and mowed down the tops of mountains. Have you ever been around large power plants and industrial centers? I have. It doesn't surprise me that humans are responsible for Global Warming with the amount of pollution I've seen vented into the atmosphere. But I don't think you have been paying attention to the facts that have been posted before. However I can see we shouldn't confuse you with the facts as your mind is made up.

No, they won't make breathing illegal, they'll just tax it.

Jason
04-03-2007, 01:12 PM
^ It is absurd to think humans are the cause of global warming. Just wait, eventually the Supreme Court will make our breathing a pollutant. :mad:

We exhale CO2 right? Its now a polutant.. "oficially"

Charleston native
04-03-2007, 01:16 PM
Bent, the propaganda you constantly mention can easily be debated. There is more carbon and other "pollutants" being dispersed into the atmosphere by volcanoes and other natural phenomena than humans. We may have affected the physical geography of the land on earth, but we do not control the climate. Can we control when it's going to rain? Can we control where a hurricane will strike? Can we control tsunamis? Can we control whether or not it snows? Hell, we don't even know precisely where or when it will rain! We can only guess.

For humans to think we are in that much control of the earth is pretty vain. We can control the flow of Niagra Falls, but what if it rains more up there and floods? Are we in control then? The atmosphere of the earth is literally hundreds of thousands of cubic miles. One volcano blows its top and temperatures in several regions can drop...yet bring in one storm over LA, and the human-made smog is blown away for a day or two.

What's even more absurd is to discard our primary energy source in this solar system (the sun) as a culprit to any warming that may be occurring. This ruling seems to be doing that and using the UN and Al Gore's gospel as the sole ruler of "truth". Environmental socialism, here we come!

Charleston native
04-03-2007, 01:18 PM
We exhale CO2 right? Its now a polutant.. "oficially"
Exactly. We're probably going to have to pay a tax to breathe.

Jim
04-03-2007, 01:21 PM
Great, now Gore gets money when we breathe from buying carbon credits.

Wait, can we do that? Buy carbon credits so we can keep our old beat up carbon coughing junker?

linebacker
04-04-2007, 12:11 PM
;) I wonder what two colors we're going to be able choose from once the government auto planning committee choose the two or three breadbox styles allowed in the market?:D :D

RiversideGator
04-04-2007, 12:49 PM
Well this settles it for me. The Supreme Court said it, so it must be true. :rolleyes: