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johnmeeks1974
03-31-2007, 03:24 PM
Ex-Aide Details a Loss of Faith in the President
By JIM RUTENBERG
AUSTIN, Tex., March 29 — In 1999, Matthew Dowd became a symbol of George W. Bush’s early success at positioning himself as a Republican with Democratic appeal.

A top strategist for the Texas Democrats who was disappointed by the Bill Clinton years, Mr. Dowd was impressed by the pledge of Mr. Bush, then governor of Texas, to bring a spirit of cooperation to Washington. He switched parties, joined Mr. Bush’s political brain trust and dedicated the next six years to getting him to the Oval Office and keeping him there. In 2004, he was appointed the president’s chief campaign strategist.

Looking back, Mr. Dowd now says his faith in Mr. Bush was misplaced.

In a wide-ranging interview here, Mr. Dowd called for a withdrawal from Iraq and expressed his disappointment in Mr. Bush’s leadership.

He criticized the president as failing to call the nation to a shared sense of sacrifice at a time of war, failing to reach across the political divide to build consensus and ignoring the will of the people on Iraq. He said he believed the president had not moved aggressively enough to hold anyone accountable for the abuses at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq, and that Mr. Bush still approached governing with a “my way or the highway” mentality reinforced by a shrinking circle of trusted aides.

“I really like him, which is probably why I’m so disappointed in things,” he said. He added, “I think he’s become more, in my view, secluded and bubbled in.”

In speaking out, Mr. Dowd became the first member of Mr. Bush’s inner circle to break so publicly with him.

He said his decision to step forward had not come easily. But, he said, his disappointment in Mr. Bush’s presidency is so great that he feels a sense of duty to go public given his role in helping Mr. Bush gain and keep power.

Mr. Dowd, a crucial part of a team that cast Senator John Kerry as a flip-flopper who could not be trusted with national security during wartime, said he had even written but never submitted an op-ed article titled “Kerry Was Right,” arguing that Mr. Kerry, a Massachusetts Democrat and 2004 presidential candidate, was correct in calling last year for a withdrawal from Iraq.

“I’m a big believer that in part what we’re called to do — to me, by God; other people call it karma — is to restore balance when things didn’t turn out the way they should have,” Mr. Dowd said. “Just being quiet is not an option when I was so publicly advocating an election.”

Mr. Dowd’s journey from true believer to critic in some ways tracks the public arc of Mr. Bush’s political fortunes. But it is also an intensely personal story of a political operative who at times, by his account, suppressed his doubts about his professional role but then confronted them as he dealt with loss and sorrow in his own life.

In the last several years, as he has gradually broken his ties with the Bush camp, one of Mr. Dowd’s premature twin daughters died, he was divorced, and he watched his oldest son prepare for deployment to Iraq as an Army intelligence specialist fluent in Arabic. Mr. Dowd said he had become so disillusioned with the war that he had considered joining street demonstrations against it, but that his continued personal affection for the president had kept him from joining protests whose anti-Bush fervor is so central.

Mr. Dowd, 45, said he hoped in part that by coming forward he would be able to get a message through to a presidential inner sanctum that he views as increasingly isolated. But, he said, he holds out no great hope. He acknowledges that he has not had a conversation with the president.

Dan Bartlett, the White House counselor, said Mr. Dowd’s criticism is reflective of the national debate over the war.

“It’s an issue that divides people,” Mr. Bartlett said. “Even people that supported the president aren’t immune from having their own feelings and emotions.”

He said he disagreed with Mr. Dowd’s description of the president as isolated and with his position on withdrawal. But he said he was not surprised. Mr. Dowd has relayed the same sentiments to Mr. Bartlett in private conversations; they are friends.

During the interview with Mr. Dowd on a slightly overcast afternoon in downtown Austin, he was a far quieter man than the cigar chomping general that he was during Mr. Bush’s 2004 campaign.

Soft spoken and somewhat melancholy, he wore jeans, a T-shirt and sandals in an office devoid of Bush memorabilia save for a campaign coffee mug and a photograph of the first couple with his oldest son, Daniel. The photograph was taken one week before the 2004 election, and one day before Daniel was to go to boot camp.

Over Mexican food at a restaurant that was only feet from the 2000 campaign headquarters, and later at his office just up the street, Mr. Dowd recounted his political and personal journey. “It’s amazing,” he said. “In five years, I’ve only traveled 300 feet, but it feels like I’ve gone around the world, where my head is.”

Mr. Dowd said he decided to become a Republican in 1999 and joined Mr. Bush after watching him work closely with Bob Bullock, the Democratic lieutenant governor of Texas, who was a political client of Mr. Dowd and a mentor to Mr. Bush.

“It’s almost like you fall in love,” he said. “I was frustrated about Washington, the inability for people to get stuff done and bridge divides. And this guy’s personality — he cared about education and taking a different stand on immigration.”

Mr. Dowd established himself as an expert at interpreting polls, giving Karl Rove, the president’s closest political adviser, and the rest of the Bush team guidance as they set out to woo voters, slash opponents and exploit divisions between Democratic-leaning states and Republican-leaning ones.

In television interviews in 2004, Mr. Dowd said that Mr. Kerry’s campaign was proposing “a weak defense,” and that the voters “trust this president more than they trust Senator Kerry on Iraq.”

But he was starting to have his own doubts by then, he said.

He said he thought Mr. Bush handled the immediate aftermath of the Sept. 11 attacks well but “missed a real opportunity to call the country to a shared sense of sacrifice.”

He was dumbfounded when Mr. Bush did not fire Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld after revelations that American soldiers had tortured prisoners at Abu Ghraib.

Several associates said Mr. Dowd chafed under Mr. Rove’s leadership. Mr. Dowd said he had not spoken to Mr. Rove in months but would not discuss their relationship in detail.

Mr. Dowd said, in retrospect, he was in denial.

“When you fall in love like that,” he said, “and then you notice some things that don’t exactly go the way you thought, what do you do? Like in a relationship, you say ‘No no, no, it’ll be different.’ ”

He said he clung to the hope that Mr. Bush would get back to his Texas style of governing if he won. But he saw no change after the 2004 victory.

He describes the administration’s handling of Hurricane Katrina, and the president’s refusal in the summer of 2005 to meet with the war protester Cindy Sheehan, whose son died fighting in Iraq, around the same time that Mr. Bush entertained the bicyclist Lance Armstrong at his Crawford ranch as further cause for doubt.

“I had finally come to the conclusion that maybe all these things along do add up,” he said. “That it’s not the same, it’s not the person I thought.”

He said that during his work on the 2006 re-election campaign of Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger of California, which had a bipartisan appeal, he began to rethink his approach to elections.

“I think we should design campaigns that appeal not to 51 percent of the people,” he said, “but bring the country together as a whole.”

He said that he still believed campaigns must do what it takes to win, but that he was never comfortable with the most hard-charging tactics. He is now calling for “gentleness” in politics. He said that while he tried to keep his own conduct respectful during political combat, he wanted to “do my part in fixing fissures that I may have been part of.”

His views against the war began to harden last spring when, in a personal exercise, he wrote a draft opinion article and found himself agreeing with Mr. Kerry’s call for withdrawal from Iraq. He acknowledged that the expected deployment of his son Daniel was an important factor.

He said the president’s announcement last fall that he was re-nominating the former United Nations ambassador John R. Bolton, whose confirmation Democrats had already refused, was further proof to him that Mr. Bush was not seeking consensus with Democrats.

He said he came to believe Mr. Bush’s views were hardening, with the reinforcement of his inner circle. But, he said, the person “who is ultimately responsible is the president.” And he gradually ventured out with criticism, going so far as declaring last month in a short essay in Texas Monthly magazine that Mr. Bush was losing “his gut-level bond with the American people,” and breaking more fully in this week’s interview.

“If the American public says they’re done with something, our leaders have to understand what they want,” Mr. Dowd said. “They’re saying ‘Get out of Iraq.’ ”

Mr. Dowd’s friends from Mr. Bush’s orbit said they understood his need to speak out. “Everyone is going to reflect on the good and the bad, and everything in between, in their own way,” said Nicolle Wallace, communications director of Mr. Bush’s 2004 campaign, a post she also held at the White House until last summer. “And I certainly respect the way he’s doing it — these are his true thoughts from a deeply personal place.” Ms. Wallace said she continued to have “enormous gratitude” for her years with Mr. Bush.

Mr. Bartlett, the White House counselor, said he understood, too, though he said he strongly disagreed with Mr. Dowd’s assessment. “Do we know our critics will try to use this to their advantage? Yes,” he said. “Is that perfect? No. But you can respectfully disagree with someone who has been supportive of you.”

Mr. Dowd does not seem prepared to put his views to work in 2008. The only candidate who appeals to him, he said, is Senator Barack Obama, Democrat of Illinois, because of what Mr. Dowd called his message of unity. But, he said, “I wouldn’t be surprised if I wasn’t walking around in Africa or South America doing something that was like mission work.”

He added, “I do feel a calling of trying to re-establish a level of gentleness in the world.”

Diane Melendez
03-31-2007, 07:35 PM
Now that is an interesting perspective. Not looking so good for old GW these days. People are waking up and they don't like what has been going on while they were asleep in la la land.

BostechComputers
03-31-2007, 08:07 PM
Seems to me a lot of people in Jacksonville are still in la la land.

linebacker
03-31-2007, 08:40 PM
Maybe some folks just lack the inner strength to see an extremely difficult crisis through to success. Abraham Lincoln is an example of one who did. Maybe some folks possess so much political and personal hate for a person that the horrific consequences of a decision comes in second to their desire to see a person politically destroyed. Maybe some folks choose to do what is right over what is popular. Come to think of it, it could be a lot of things.

Diane Melendez
03-31-2007, 10:39 PM
Maybe linebacker, but I highly doubt it. No one wants anyone to fail just to say I told you so. Especially at the cost of thousands of human beings. Just not the case.

Stephendare
03-31-2007, 11:50 PM
And maybe some people are so easily led that they let a fascist take their civil rights away, legalize torture, and suspend a 400 year old right called habeus corpus simply by telling them that they believed in Jesus.

Social Conservative
04-02-2007, 03:20 PM
Not looking so good for old GW these days.

Actually I'd say things are probably pretty good for him.

- He has reached the pinnacle of his career. The pinnacle for any politician.
- He has won re-election and will never have to run a campaign again.
- He has another two years to do what he thinks is right and best for the United States regardless of political pressure, special interests or the worry of getting voted out of office.
- He is an uber millionaire and in two years will retire to a very nice ranch in Texas.

Doesn't sound to bad to me.

BostechComputers
04-02-2007, 04:49 PM
He's right..things look good for Bush.
Things don't look good for rest of us.

BostechComputers
04-02-2007, 06:57 PM
When he turns 80 he will be skydiving,traveling around world and eating super expensive food....on other hand most of us will be lucky if we turn 80 and most likely will have to deal with covering health care costs and making to local flea market without pissing your own pants.

It's good to be a politician.

Social Conservative
04-02-2007, 10:23 PM
When he turns 80 he will be skydiving,traveling around world and eating super expensive food....on other hand most of us will be lucky if we turn 80 and most likely will have to deal with covering health care costs and making to local flea market without pissing your own pants.

It's good to be a politician.

Its good to live in a country where anybody can skydive, travel around the world and eat super expensive food at age 80. All you have to do is go out and earn it.

NotNow
04-02-2007, 10:47 PM
And maybe some people are so easily led that they let a fascist take their civil rights away, legalize torture, and suspend a 400 year old right called habeus corpus simply by telling them that they believed in Jesus.

Stephen,

I know by reading your posts that you are an intelligent guy. Why do so many go to terms like "fascist"? I'm sure that you know the definition of "fascist". And "torture". What U. S. Forces are using in interrogations does not meet my definition of "torture". How does it meet yours? And I think that you know that in cases of treason, the normal procedure of Habeus Corpus has never applied. In the case of the Patriot Act, we are talking about foreign nationals, I believe.

I never voted for Clinton, but I served under him and, honestly, would have been as shocked to see such crap written about him. While his personal morality was questionable, I don't think that it is honest to question his patriotism. Ditto for Bush. Can we stick to the real arguments here?

BostechComputers
04-02-2007, 10:54 PM
Its good to live in a country where anybody can skydive, travel around the world and eat super expensive food at age 80. All you have to do is go out and earn it.


News for you,you can do that in most countries around world.
Actually when you are RICH I can not think of country that you are not able to do any of these things.

To get rich normally you have to be "corupted" one way or another.
I don't see any politicians that are poor.

jaxdemlady
04-02-2007, 11:43 PM
When he turns 80 he will be skydiving,traveling around world and eating super expensive food....on other hand most of us will be lucky if we turn 80 and most likely will have to deal with covering health care costs and making to local flea market without pissing your own pants.

It's good to be a politician.


Seriously, I've been reading your posts as a new member. I've really enjoyed them. You stand out. This is the funniest one though. It made me shoot Diet Coke out of my nose.

PS. Many of your posts sound like you're a Republitard for the first few lines. Amazing.

jaxdemlady
04-03-2007, 12:12 AM
Its good to live in a country where anybody can skydive, travel around the world and eat super expensive food at age 80. All you have to do is go out and earn it.

I am so glad that my two patriotic, hardworking grandfathers passed away before they could be exposed to comments like this on the Internet. They BOTH worked their tails off for most of their lives to support their families (the ones their parents created followed by their own). One was an immigrant, one was an immigrant's child. They both made it through the depression and could tell depressing stories about getting one orange for Christmas. They both worked from the time they were kids almost until the day they died. They both paid their taxes every single year and rarely complained. They both voted in every election. One of them campaigned for candidates he liked, Republican or Democrat. They both made far less than they deserved at work. They both helped out neighbors, friends and extended family every chance they got, no matter how busy they were. One served in WWII (against the country of his birth, Germany). One took care of a very sick wife and two kids by himself for many, many years. Both never tolerated injustice. Both wanted to travel the world, skydive and eat fancy foods (instead of the Sizzler with a 2-for-1 coupon as a BIG night out). Neither ever had the money to do much more than survive and pay for the occasional oil change in their grandkid's car. They EARNED everything they ever had. (I'd like to hear how any Bush in the last 60 years EARNED anything).

Both grandfathers died without ever having to read such stupid, vile words from an internet troll who believes that hard work only = riches. Thank God.

PS. One g-pa would've given you the verbal lashing of your life if he heard you say this in public. The other would've turned the other cheek. I am just glad that neither of them had to choose how to react to your ridiculous statement. My grandfathers and I only ask you to think a little before you spew such comments.

BostechComputers
04-03-2007, 12:31 AM
Seriously, I've been reading your posts as a new member. I've really enjoyed them. You stand out. This is the funniest one though. It made me shoot Diet Coke out of my nose.

PS. Many of your posts sound like you're a Republitard for the first few lines. Amazing.

Republiwhat?


Smartass like me to be single?
No way.
I hope my Top 10 list clears things up.



Top 10 qualifications woman needs to date me:

10. Family orientated--You invite your ex boyfriend to our first date
9. Caring--You cancel our first date cuz your ex bf couldn't make it
8. Athletic--You can carry me in your arms
7. Kinky--You like to watch Animal channel.....Naked
6. Friendly--You invite me to your house to watch Animal channel
5. Low maintenance--They open new mall next to YOUR house
4. Sexy--You make me fake orgasm
3. Educated-You misspell commitment
2. Funny--You want me to watch soap operas with you.
1. One word-sexy,funny,educated,friendly,caring,lovely,intelli gent

RiversideGator
04-03-2007, 12:39 AM
News for you,you can do that in most countries around world.
Actually when you are RICH I can not think of country that you are not able to do any of these things.

To get rich normally you have to be "corupted" one way or another.
I don't see any politicians that are poor.

Actually, I have done quite well in the last 10 years and I dont think I am "corrupted" at all. I work 10-12 hours per day at my day job and sometimes work nights and weekends with my rental properties. How am I cheating again?

The first thing you must do to get rich, is to stop hating the rich.

RiversideGator
04-03-2007, 12:45 AM
I am so glad that my two patriotic, hardworking grandfathers passed away before they could be exposed to comments like this on the Internet. They BOTH worked their tails off for most of their lives to support their families (the ones their parents created followed by their own). One was an immigrant, one was an immigrant's child. They both made it through the depression and could tell depressing stories about getting one orange for Christmas. They both worked from the time they were kids almost until the day they died. They both paid their taxes every single year and rarely complained. They both voted in every election. One of them campaigned for candidates he liked, Republican or Democrat. They both made far less than they deserved at work. They both helped out neighbors, friends and extended family every chance they got, no matter how busy they were. One served in WWII (against the country of his birth, Germany). One took care of a very sick wife and two kids by himself for many, many years. Both never tolerated injustice. Both wanted to travel the world, skydive and eat fancy foods (instead of the Sizzler with a 2-for-1 coupon as a BIG night out). Neither ever had the money to do much more than survive and pay for the occasional oil change in their grandkid's car. They EARNED everything they ever had. (I'd like to hear how any Bush in the last 60 years EARNED anything).

Both grandfathers died without ever having to read such stupid, vile words from an internet troll who believes that hard work only = riches. Thank God.

PS. One g-pa would've given you the verbal lashing of your life if he heard you say this in public. The other would've turned the other cheek. I am just glad that neither of them had to choose how to react to your ridiculous statement. My grandfathers and I only ask you to think a little before you spew such comments.

You have gone way overboard with this vitriol. Lighten up or you will have to take a break. You can have an honest disagreement without personally attacking the other person.

BTW, one of my grandfathers fought in WWII and never made much money either and the other one sold cars. The idea in this country is everyone has the chance to have a better life, not the guarantee of one. They worked hard so their kids and then their grandkids could have the opportunity to have a better life than they did. And, I would be happy to explain this to anyone. Again, stop being jealous of others and you may get ahead yourself. Remember also that envy is a deadly sin as well as avarice.

BostechComputers
04-03-2007, 12:45 AM
Are you RICH???

Can you take off on a vacation for whole month?

I never said I hate rich,I said I don't like people getting rich dishonest way.

RiversideGator
04-03-2007, 12:52 AM
Are you RICH???

Can you take off on a vacation for whole month?

I dont think I am "rich". I started out in 1999 with a $90,000 negative net worth (student loans) and invested in rental properties while working hard at my day job (law). Let's just say I am worth a lot more now, at least on paper.

As for a vacation, I havent had more than 2 consecutive work days off since 2005. I could not take a month off for vacation now.

BostechComputers
04-03-2007, 12:54 AM
Well then you are hard-worker not rich.
Takes lot more then working 12 hours a day to become rich.

RiversideGator
04-03-2007, 01:02 AM
Well then you are hard-worker not rich.
Takes lot more then working 12 hours a day to become rich.

I am not rich yet. But, I feel I am on the right path. You must set a goal and stay focused on achieving it. Work hard and work smart. These are cliches, but totally true.

RiversideGator
04-03-2007, 01:04 AM
Well then you are hard-worker not rich.
Takes lot more then working 12 hours a day to become rich.

Bos: What you dont understand is the vast majority of the rich in America are first generation wealthy. The fact is more rich people made it themselves. America has the most social and economic mobility of any society on Earth.

Stephendare
04-03-2007, 01:25 AM
Not Now

Do you think using a power drill on people's joints is torture?

BostechComputers
04-03-2007, 01:35 AM
Not Now

Do you think using a power drill on people's joints is torture?

Cordless or electric?

RiversideGator
04-03-2007, 10:22 AM
Not Now

Do you think using a power drill on people's joints is torture?

Please provide documented evidence from a real media source that this ever occured.

jaxdemlady
04-03-2007, 09:35 PM
You have gone way overboard with this vitriol. Lighten up or you will have to take a break. You can have an honest disagreement without personally attacking the other person.

BTW, one of my grandfathers fought in WWII and never made much money either and the other one sold cars. The idea in this country is everyone has the chance to have a better life, not the guarantee of one. They worked hard so their kids and then their grandkids could have the opportunity to have a better life than they did. And, I would be happy to explain this to anyone. Again, stop being jealous of others and you may get ahead yourself. Remember also that envy is a deadly sin as well as avarice.

I am going to respond to this via a private message. I am not trying to make a spectacle. However, I want to PUBLICLY apologize for calling you a troll. I will discuss the rest privately.

RiversideGator
04-04-2007, 12:56 AM
I am going to respond to this via a private message. I am not trying to make a spectacle. However, I want to PUBLICLY apologize for calling you a troll. I will discuss the rest privately.

Actually, you were refering to Social Conservative as a troll, not me. But, apology accepted on his behalf. :D

I think it is difficult sometimes in the heat of the moment to measure our words in a debate on here. I know I have gone overboard too. Let's just move on and continue with the debate. :)