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02Roadking
10-31-2006, 10:27 AM
Who will pick up the tab to resod Alltel?

10/31/2006

by Mike Sharkey
Staff Writer , Jaxdailyrecord.com
By the time the Dr Pepper ACC Championship game comes to town, Alltel Stadium will have hosted eight Jacksonville Jaguars games, the Georgia-Florida game and the Southern Classic. Those 10 games will take a toll on the field, but according to SMG General Manager Bob Downey, it’s the paint that’s used to prep the field for the ACC title game that will create the need for about one-third of the field to be resodded before the Jan. 1 Toyota Gator Bowl.
At issue right now is: who will pay the $47,000 tab to resod the middle and end zones of the field.
“We are not sure of the wear and tear on the field, but we do know we have to paint huge logos on the field for the ACC Championship game,” said Downey, who runs the management company that oversees Alltel Stadium, the Arena and several other City-owned entertainment facilities. “We can’t paint over the logos with green because the colors will bleed through.”
There is a month between the ACC title game and the Gator Bowl. However, according to Downey the bermudagrass in Alltel will have gone dormant by then and the field will need to be partially resodded. Downey said SMG picked up the tab last year, but he contends the Gator Bowl Association — which runs the ACC title game and the Gator Bowl — is contractually obligated to pay for the sod and its installation.
“It’s the Gator Bowl’s obligation and we are putting them on notice,” said Downey, adding SMG absorbed the cost last year — $47,532 — but doesn’t intend to this year.
The Gator Bowl Association and SMG have recently traded correspondence over the matter. In fact, GBA President Rick Catlett has referred the issue to the GBA’s attorney.
SMG is under contract to the City, and according to Downey, the City informed him in early October that the resodding costs were the responsibility of the GBA.
Catlett said he expects to get the issue resolved soon.
“These kinds of issues come up all the time,” said Catlett. “It’s not unusual in discussions with SMG for all kinds of functions to come up like manpower and taxes. In the past, we have sat down and worked out the details.”
The dispute seems to revolve around the interpretation of the contract.
“The contract says the City of Jacksonville will pay for the normal cost of operating the stadium for the ACC Championship,” said Catlett, who believes the maintenance of the playing surface constitutes normal operating costs. “Anything beyond that is the responsibility of the Gator Bowl Association.”
Catlett said the issue may not be the paint used during the ACC title game, but rather the amount of wear and tear on the field during the course of the football season.
“What’s important to me is what’s necessary after the ACC Championship game vs. what’s necessary after 10 football games,” he said. “The paint is part of the discussion. But, is it the paint or is it the past three months?”
Downey said the biggest reason he needs to determine who’s paying for the sod is the fact he needs to order it soon. According to Downey, the sod will likely come from a turf farm in South Georgia. However, due to turf demands all over the country, there’s a need to secure one-third of a field’s worth of sod and the machinery needed to remove the old sod and install the new.
“Only a handful of U.S. companies have this kind of equipment,” said Downey.
Catlett said he expects to have the issue resolved soon so he can get on with selling tickets to both games.
“I really expect to reach an amiable agreement. “I don’t think we’ll have to pay for everything, but I expect to have to pay for some of it.”
With a little over a month until the ACC Championship, Catlett said there are about 20,000 tickets left. However, a vast majority of those tickets have been sold locally. When the two participants are determined — right now it may be a Georgia Tech-Boston College match-up — Catlett expects the two schools to sell a majority of the 20,000 tickets to their fans. “We have sold 750 since Saturday night,” he said.




Also mentioned in the City Notes section:

The alcohol policy in the Touchdown Clubs at Alltel Stadium for the Dec. 2 Dr Pepper ACC Championship game were recently released. Beer, wine and mixed drinks will be sold two hours prior to kick-off, but only beer will be sold during the 20-minute halftime. There won’t be any booze served while the game is in play and no alcohol will be allowed in the stadium seating areas.

copperfiend
10-31-2006, 11:59 AM
I really want the ACC Championship Game to succeed here but I have my doubts it will be here every year. Last year was a sellout because of the fan bases FSU and Virginia Tech. Georgia Tech would be able to bring some fans I assume but I don't think Boston College could. It would be nice if Clemson, NC State, VT or Maryland could make it here. They traditionally travel well. What would ultimately make the game a success is if it had national championship implications. That won't happen this year.

antonio
10-31-2006, 12:12 PM
I really want the ACC Championship Game to succeed here but I have my doubts it will be here every year. Last year was a sellout because of the fan bases FSU and Virginia Tech. Georgia Tech would be able to bring some fans I assume but I don't think Boston College could. It would be nice if Clemson, NC State, VT or Maryland could make it here. They traditionally travel well. What would ultimately make the game a success is if it had national championship implications. That won't happen this year.

You're right. BC doesn't travel well at all. Two years ago when BC played in the bowl game in Charlotte against UNC, BC only bought about 5,000 people. UNC had over 55,000 there. If Wake gets into the title game, forget about them selling their allotment. Their enrollment is smaller than Duke's. GT most likely will sell all of their allotment. Good thing UM isn't coming b/c they can't sell out the Orange Bowl for their home games that don't involve FSU and they sure as hell don't travel well. Maryland, NC State and Clemson travel well, but NC State sure ain't coming seeing as though they're sitting at 2-3 in conference play. Maryland has a tough, but winnable remaining stretch of games and Clemson needs BC to lose two conf games, which most likely won't happen. Wake is at home this weekend against BC at 7pm on ESPN 2. That's a huge game that will help determine who will get the spot in the ACC title game for the Atlantic Division. The ACC is doing the wise thing by making it a require that the community buys the majority of the championship tickets in order for the game to stay in J'ville.

20k still seems like a small allotment to go to the schools, but seeing as how Wake or BC could be in the championship game, that number seems good. GT could sell about 15k of the 20k by itself but each school will only get about 8 to 10k apiece, which is how it was last year.

RADIO TALK SHOW HOST
11-25-2006, 10:13 AM
NO BEER ALMOST MEANS NO DRINKS
AT 4 DOLLARS AND A VERY SMALL COMMISSION
IT ISN'T WORTH MY TIME
THEY NEED TO EITHER RAISE THE PRICE A QUARTER 4.25 means 75cent tip
or lower it 75 cents

PREPARE TO BE THIRSTY or walk to the concession stand

Claude91098
11-27-2006, 10:11 AM
So...bottomline: Who is paying for the sod replacement??

JaxInvestor
11-27-2006, 03:56 PM
Go Wake Forest!

OceanCowboy
11-27-2006, 04:03 PM
Does it really matter WHERE the championship game is? If the fans of the teams that win aren't traveling to see their team play then does it matter?

I guess my point is, the press isn't pointing out that it isn't Jacksonvilles fault that the fans of the teams that are winning arent' traveling. If the ACC actually had teams that were worth watching Jacksonvillians would go to the game! ;) *snicker* Go Gators! :)

(Yes Yes Yes that was a low blow!)

Claude91098
11-27-2006, 06:28 PM
So...bottomline: Who is paying for the sod replacement??


Hello??? Anyone home???:p :D

antonio
11-27-2006, 07:57 PM
Does it really matter WHERE the championship game is? If the fans of the teams that win aren't traveling to see their team play then does it matter?

I guess my point is, the press isn't pointing out that it isn't Jacksonvilles fault that the fans of the teams that are winning arent' traveling. If the ACC actually had teams that were worth watching Jacksonvillians would go to the game! ;) *snicker* Go Gators! :)

(Yes Yes Yes that was a low blow!)'

Well, if the game was given more than 1 year to establish a connection with the city, then maybe the citizens would buy the remaining tickets. Point of the matter is that no city should carry the load for selling a conference title game. That falls on the shoulders of the conference and it's teams. The citizens of Jax buying 36k tickets to this game isn't bad. The teams in the future will have to get behind their teams and bring 20k, therefore creating a sellout without asking the citizens of the city to carry the load.

The ACC's Commish wants the ACC Championship game after 1 year to be something similar to the SEC championship game which is something that has been running for more than 10 years. It takes time, but it's all about the money and as we all know, time is money. Wake, Duke, BC and Miami will never bring 20k anywhere. Miami can't even get 20k to come to it's home games. Wake will bring 10k and that good considering the size of the university. BC fans don't travel well so there you go. GT, Virgina, Virgina Tech, FSU, Clemson, NC State and Norf Carolina can easily bring 20k.

GT is bringing 14k to this game and may end up with 15k in the city. The game has to become more of fixture in the conference and as it does the fans around the league will eventually get on board to the tune of bringing 20k instead of 10k or 15k. When that happens, the citizens of Jax won't have to carry the load. In the meantime, Swofford will have to decide if he can live with the growing pains that it'll take to fill up Alltel or go to the 67k stadium down in Tampa were he won't have to worry about selling 74k.

The ACC has a decision to make.

Claude91098
11-27-2006, 08:41 PM
As far as the sod issue is concerned:

IMHO: You break it, you replace it...period. ;-)

Joe
11-28-2006, 12:03 AM
On the subject of locals buying tickets ...

The quarterback of Wake Forest is a local kid, and somewhat of a cinderella story as far as football is concerned. So I would imagine a lot of hype about him by the TU in the days leading up to the game. It could help put a few more locals into the seats, if for some reason the game isn't sold out by then anyway.

jandar
11-28-2006, 08:55 AM
I will be rooting for Wake, they really are the cinderella team this year and having a local at QB helps.

antonio
11-28-2006, 09:15 AM
Being a neutral observer and having watched both of these teams all season long, Wake is the better team and they should win on Sat. Skinner of Wake Forest is a more accurate thrower than Reggie Ball of GT and Wake's offense is more dynamic. It won't be a blowout but Wake should win by 3 to 7 points/

OceanCowboy
11-28-2006, 10:58 AM
Hey now, Dont forget Tim Tebow!!! ;) hes a local kid that is going to lead my team to the national championship game sometime in the next several years! :D

Captain Zissou
11-28-2006, 11:28 AM
Riley Skinner has been my friend for many years and he is a great guy. I know hundreds of people who will go to the game just because of him. If the times union were to give him some press, I'm sure many more people would go out to see him play.

02Roadking
11-28-2006, 12:11 PM
He got some press:

http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/112806/spf_6495894.shtml

copperfiend
11-30-2006, 10:11 AM
Last report I heard is that they have sold between 50,000-55,000 tickets. That would be about 10,000 short of the 65,000 goal. It has been stated that the game needs to be a sellout to stay here but I dare anybody to say that a Wake Forest/Georgia Tech game would be a sellout in Orlando, Charlotte or DC. It is just not a good matchup, which could be bad news for Jacksonville.

OceanCowboy
11-30-2006, 11:04 AM
Dont forget that the people upstairs aint no dummies!! They realize that it isn't a great match up. The threat of the game leaving is probably just a scare tactic to sell more tickets.

I seriously doubt that if the game doesn't sell out it is going anyway. Mark that down as my prediction! :)

copperfiend
11-30-2006, 11:58 AM
I agree. But Jacksonville is also notorious for being a walk-up crowd. They wait until the last minute to buy tickets. Hopefully for the Gator Bowl Association this trend will continue.

RiversideGator
11-30-2006, 01:08 PM
Everyone on here interested in football should go out to the game on Saturday for Jacksonville's sake and to just see a good game. This is a great event for the city and should be supported by the people of this city. I would personally go but, luckily, I will be in Atlanta instead cheering for the Gators to win the SEC title. :)

antonio
11-30-2006, 09:37 PM
Rick Catlet said Tuesday morning that they were a couple thousand shy of 65k. My estimate is that they hit that mark by game time on Sat. Rick also said that he spoke with John Swofford on Tuesday and Swofford said that the Gator Bowl Association doesn't have to sell the game out. They just need to come close to that and 65k is the magic number. Swofford was quoted last week in a North Carolina newspaper stating that he understood that "local" teams would probably be a better "sell" and the he understood that.

The point is that the game is gonna be in Jax for another two years and possibly beyond that. The ACC has a very good relationship with Catlet and his group and the ACC Championship game Committee voted back in June to renew the contract with the City of Jacksonville, dependent upon Swofford's final say. Around the first week of Jan you'll hear Swofford say that the contract with the City has been renewed. The only other city that would come close to 65k is Tampa and that is b/c of the stadium size. In other years, say when Clemson or Maryland or VT is in the game, 65k wouldn't be enough and Swofford and the committee knows that. The conference will make the most money in Jacksonville and that's the reason they chose to placed the game in the City.

The other thing that is holding up ticket sales in my opinion is that it will cost 125.00 dollars for one ticket. That's a lot.

Joe
12-01-2006, 10:26 AM
yikes ... I'd love to see GT and Wake duke it out ... but not for $125 ...

copperfiend
12-01-2006, 10:52 AM
I want to clarify the ticket prices. The Club Seats were $125. Those are sold out. They have been sold out for a while. Lower bowl tickets are $80. Upper level is $60.