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RiversideGator
07-28-2006, 11:46 AM
These look pretty nice. I think they will definitely add to Mayport and help to make it a nicer place. I also dont see why the fishermen cant continue to operate from there, just because some upscale condos are built. Anyway, here is the article and renderings:

From the Florida Times-Union, July 28, 2006:

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Mayport condo project sets its sights on raising a village

Some see Vestcor's 2.5-acre mixed-use development as a spark that will fuel a revival of the slumping fishing hamlet.

By JOE LIGHT, The Times-Union

A historic fishing village will likely get its first taste of new development next year, when The Vestcor Cos. plans to break ground on a two-and-a-half-acre development in the heart of Mayport village.

On Thursday morning, Vestcor officials presented general plans to the Mayport Waterfront Partnership for a walkable community with about 50 condominiums built on top of 15,000 square feet of retail shop space.

Vestcor chief executive Mark Farrell said he was pleased with the reception he got from the partnership, which was formed by the cities of Jacksonville and Atlantic Beach in 1997 to help revitalize the area.

Condos, retail ready to reshape Mayport Village
The Vestcor Cos. plans a condominium development in the heart of the historic fishing village. This is expected to spark redevelopment for the town, whose fishing industry has been squeezed by high fuel prices and seafood imports. The Mayport Waterfront Partnership has tried to revitalize the area for a decade.

Project details
# 50 units
# 15,000 square feet of retail
# Construction is expected to start next year and take 15 months to complete
# Development will try to maintain the character of a fishing town
# Condos will be built on Ocean Street between Henry and Pearl Streets

"There's been nothing built there in years, and for them to see anything was just a realization that this is really happening," he said.

The Vestcor development, called The Mayport Village, would mark a huge step in local efforts to spark a revival in the town, whose primary fishing industry has suffered as seafood imports and rising fuel costs have squeezed profits.

A number of seafood companies along the river have either sold out or are under contract to sell their businesses, signaling the end of the 60-acre village's traditional livelihood.

"I think we as a partnership really expected this," said Ed Lukacovic, a city senior planner assigned as program manager for the partnership. "Nothing is different than what's happening in the city of Jacksonville. There are large amounts of people moving in here."

Farrell said The Mayport Village will try to retain the rest of the town's charm and make it an asset to the development.

But some locals, many of whom have lived there for decades, are afraid that new condominiums will push out the Mayport they have known all their lives.

Jose Caboz, who said he fished there for 25 years before working for Mat Roland Seafood, said he's disappointed to see old businesses sell out to make way for new communities.

"It's going to destroy the heritage of this community," he said. "Development is squeezing fishermen out of business."

Caboz's current employer may actually sell his seafood company soon. Caboz said the owner has told employees that a potential buyer might purchase the property early next year.

Although they haven't announced plans, other developers are exploring their options.

Paul Fletcher, principal of Fletcher Management Co., said he has several parcels under contract and is figuring out what entitlements he could get on the property before closing. He said his developments, which would include almost 1,000 feet of water frontage, would probably also have condominiums and shopping on the ground floor.

The Vestcor property will be built along the Ocean Street waterfront between Henry and Pearl Streets. Surface parking would go on land on the other side of Ocean Street. Development of the project would probably take about 15 months. Vestcor officials said they did not know the project's final cost.

So far, Farrell said the project hasn't posed any challenges beyond those normally expected with a development. Because projects of that size haven't been built in Mayport before, Vestcor will test the waters with buyers before moving on to develop other parcels it owns in the area. Altogether, Farrell said Vestcor owns about 8 acres.

joe.light@jacksonville.com, (904) 359-4689

Charles Hunter
07-28-2006, 09:20 PM
Why can't fishing and upscale condos / retail co-exist?
1. As noted in the example of Roland Seafood - the fishing interests are making money by selling to developers - more than they can make in the fishing biz.

2. The residents of those upscale condos are not likely to want to put up with the smells of fishing boats and fish houses right under their noses. Code Enforcement will be called, and some sort of code violation found. Eventually, the remaining fish houses will find developers to sell to.

Is this good? bad? don't know ... areas change. Also, how will those condo residents deal with the air traffic out of Mayport NS (mostly helo's)? The residents along Heckscher Drive have been complaining for the last few years about the noise and hours of operation. Don't know if the complainants there are the newer residents or long-timers.

thelakelander
07-28-2006, 10:43 PM
Don't know, but is it possible to force developers/future residents to sign legal documents limiting their ability to complain about air traffic from Mayport?

danno
07-28-2006, 10:56 PM
I can see the interviews with upset residnts now......

"We just love how rustic and charming the fishing boats look... so very nautical..and the weather beaten fishermen look to be such characters...... It's just we can't stand the smell and the colorful language!!!!"

RiversideGator
07-29-2006, 05:19 PM
If the City does away with the ferry subsidy, they need to build a bridge there.

Charles Hunter
07-29-2006, 05:44 PM
Not a chance in the world of a bridge being built at Mayport / Fort George. The Dames POint has 175' vertical clearance, and limits the size of ships going upriver. Thus a Mayport bridge would have to be 200'+. The approaches would be quite long, and would likely wipe out the village of Mayport. It seems there is a Navy base in the way on the south end - to say nothing of the hell the towers and bridge itself would play with the aviation activities at Mayport NS.

They could subsidize the Ferry until the sea level rises and swamps Jacksonville, on what it would cost to build a bridge at Mayport.

The next bridges this area needs are: a new Mathews (8 lanes plus transit-way, and 6-lane the approaches) and some sort of "outer beltway" connecting Clay and St. Johns counties, from Branan Field-Chaffee to I-95.

Jim
07-29-2006, 10:22 PM
Removing the ferry would dampen attendence to parks and other recreation areas north of the St Johns. It also doesn't make sense given the potential ferry traffic from the new Mayport developments.

Jason
07-31-2006, 10:32 AM
The condos look nice but would most definitely turn their backs to the rest of Mayport. This could also disprove that having a military base nearby limits development.

Closing the ferry (whic is what removing the subsidy would do) would be a terrible idea and would sever the lifeline and charm of Mayport.

wolfdawg54
08-01-2006, 10:31 AM
I have lived in atlantic beach for 20 years and have seen mayport grow and change for my entire life. Many people do not want the charm of mayport to change and neither does Vestcor. The idea behind the development is to work with the fishermen to revitalize the area, not to work against them. The Mayport Waterfront Partnership and Vestcor want to keep the fishing industry there, so new residents moving in will have to sign a waiver that they understand that mayport is a working village and cannot change or do away with the fishing industry. Right now, Vestcor is just testing the area to see if development like this can work alongside with the village. If they are successful, the rest of the property will begin to be developed soon i am sure. I have been following this issue for the last few years and I will keep everyone updated on more information as i get it.

Jason
08-01-2006, 11:56 AM
But can Vestcor's contract with the residents prevent rising property values, rent increases, and the eventual buy out or sell out of the marina owners?

Joe
08-09-2006, 11:54 AM
^ Not that those things aren't problems, but those aren't problems I think the government should try to solve.

Increasing rent should be the right of the landlord, limited by contract. Rent control is a great way to scare off new development. But that's a solution far worse than the problem.

And the marinas selling out is just that ... the marina owners chosing what to do with their property. What's the government supposed to do? Adopt the subjective stance that marinas are superior to condos and manipulate the economy so that it never becomes desireable for marinas to sell out? I just can't imagine something like that actually working without horrible unforseen consequences.

The rising property values is a more dificult issue, but I think Florida has a satisfactory solution with its homestead exemption. I'm in favor of reducing the tax burden, but there's nothing else that can be done about the rising property values themeselves. At a basic level, fighting a neighborhood's rising property values is akin to fighting improvement. So I don't see any solution at all other than reducing property tax.