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thelakelander
07-11-2006, 06:50 AM
By J. TAYLOR RUSHING
Capital Bureau Chief

TALLAHASSEE -- Gov. Jeb Bush inaugurated a new state space agency on Monday by charging it with the primary mission of procuring a commercial spaceport in Florida -- with Jacksonville's Cecil Field still on the table as a prime potential site.

Bush chaired the first board meeting of Space Florida, created by legislators this spring to consolidate Florida's varied space-related boards and commissions into a single entity. The 20-member board has been tasked with recruiting and developing aerospace businesses, enhancing commercial development at Cape Canaveral and promoting space-related education.

But Bush said the primary prize is a spaceport, an idea he gleaned from a staff analyst when he was state commerce secretary in 1987.

"Fast forward to 2006, and we still need to do it," Bush said. "It's an essential part of what we need to be working on."

Commercial spaceports -- an emerging market for wealthy tourists that is being pursued by several states -- use vehicles that ride on jets and require long runways to take off. Although Cape Canaveral holds Florida's only federal launch license, federal restrictions on commercial launches are stifling the state's effort to recruit commercial space business there. Officials want to broaden the industry beyond Cape Canaveral because it represents about $4.5 billion to the state economy and provides 29,000 high-paying jobs. In January, state leaders embraced a report that endorsed that approach.

The prospect of Cecil Field as a spaceport site emerged last year and has never faded. A consultant has said Cecil seems the best alternative to Cape Canaveral because its 12,500-foot runway seems ideal.

On Monday, Bush said Cecil remains a top candidate -- although not the only one -- despite the city's efforts to develop it into a business park and a new referendum drive supporting its use as a major Navy jet base. The governor said a spaceport could co-exist with either of those possibilities because it may not require much land, although the idea of a jet base should take precedence.

"The spaceport idea is one that can mean a full-blown, fully secured launch site, or it can mean a landing strip," Bush said. "The Navy base would have 12,000 jobs, and its direct impacts would enhance rather than detract from other private sector investment as well."

Bush also dismissed the concern from some civic officials that the continuing uncertainty over the future of Cecil Field is hurting the city's efforts to recruit businesses there, saying the city does not seem to have any problems bringing businesses.

"Frankly, I just don't see it as a zero-sum game," he said. "In a place as big as Northeast Florida, I think we can make the necessary accommodations to grow in a responsible way."

Ken Underwood, a co-founder and registered agent for Vote Jacksonville, the group pushing for a September referendum on the idea of the jet base, said he agreed with Bush that a spaceport could co-exist with other developments, even a jet base.

"A dual-use site is not a hard sell to the Department of Defense," Underwood said. "I think they'd be all over that. Once they learn they wouldn't have to take care of the whole area, it would start smelling to them like they're going to be saving money."

But Jerry Mallot, executive vice president of the Jacksonville Regional Chamber of Commerce, said the city is making progress in attracting businesses to Cecil Field precisely because its future has already been decided by Mayor John Peyton and the City Council. Peyton announced in October that the city is pursuing a business park at the site, and reiterated that again this summer.

"The decision has been made, and we're well down the path," Mallot said. "Companies have full confidence that the decision was firm and commercial development is the future of Cecil."

Peyton spokeswoman Susie Wiles said the mayor agrees with Bush that a spaceport should be able to co-exist with current and future businesses at the site.

"We're certainly interested in pursuing the idea, at least," Wiles said.

Sen. Stephen Wise, R-Jacksonville, whose district includes the Westside site, said a spaceport remains a favorite option of his because the city couldn't absorb the costs of relocating businesses that would be displaced by a new jet base.

"A spaceport would be a pretty viable thing, absolutely very preferable to a base," Wise said.

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This story can be found on Jacksonville.com at http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/071106/met_22302753.shtml.

JaxNole
07-11-2006, 08:41 AM
Just out of curiosity, what has been envisioned for Cecil Field if it became the site for a spaceport? Would that part of the Westside draw more attention by the City and result in better infrastructure and a more concerted effort to reduce all types of crime?

What are realistic direct and indirect financial impacts on the region? What types of support businesses would relocate or start operations?

What range of credentials would be required to work at the spaceport? Would FCCJ and UNF be targeted to groom aerospace or general science (e.g., chemistry and physics) graduates?

Would the Brannan Field-Chaffee Expressway handle the increased traffic with its current plans at a satisfactory level of service?

thelakelander
07-11-2006, 09:27 AM
A space port at Cecil would have minimal impact in terms of job creation or economic impact, according to a TU article that came out a couple of months ago. The best thing to come out of it would be name recognition, for whatever that's worth.

Jason
07-11-2006, 10:04 AM
I think it would definitely be a long term impact and could eventually develop into something huge. Space travel, wether its tourists or commercial satellites, is something that is becomming a huge market.


Here are some shots from their website...

http://www.virgingalactic.com/images/content/content_image_005.jpg http://www.virgingalactic.com/images/content/content_image_024.jpg http://www.virgingalactic.com/images/content/content_image_022.jpg http://www.virgingalactic.com/images/content/content_image_020.jpg http://www.virgingalactic.com/images/content/News03082005.jpg




Here is their main site: http://www.virgingalactic.com/

RiversideGator
07-11-2006, 11:55 AM
I think that spaceport status would mean very little at first. But, in the future, this could be huge. It may be like getting in on the ground floor of earthbound commercial aviation, thereby setting the stage for Jacksonville to one day have the spaceport equivalent of Atlanta's Hartsfield, for example. Think of the impace of something like that. However, I admit that it is a gamble and may come to nothing. Still, it is an interesting idea.

Diane Melendez
07-11-2006, 12:21 PM
Okay everyone, follow along. Remember my recent posts? What "JEB BUSH" wants, "Jeb Bush will get". Remember the part about him being GW's little brother? Remember? The posts where I said perhaps it "ONLY LOOKS" like Peyton means NO? The ones where I told you this was already being decided by Jeb and others?

Let's see....A "NEW" space agency inaugurated "Monday".

Jacksonvilles Cecil Field still on the table as a "PRIME" potential site.

"BUSH" says,the spaceport could co exist with either possibility (commercial or jet base), although "THE IDEA OF A JET BASE" should take "PRECEDENCE"

BUT WAIT!!!!!!Order now and you can get "JOHN PEYTON" to go along!!!
Peyton says he "Agrees" with Bush" that the Space Port can coexist with businesses.

Susie Wiles says that we're "certainly interested" in pursing the idea.

Now go back to the Bush statement above, "THE IDEA OF A JET BASE SHOULD TAKE PRECEDENCE".

Please remember who pointed all this out to you awhile back through this forum. I believe it was not the Mayor! It was however a "Candidate for Mayor", me Diane Melendez.

Would you rather have a Mayor who "lies" or a Mayor who "gets it" and knows when the citizens are being "played". Hint, go for the "Candidate for Mayor, who "gets it" and "will not" play you or insult your intelligence. Again, that would be me.;) ;) ;)

By the way, right out of the hat, I will say "YES" to a Space Port!!!!!!

Note: I say "Yes" to the Space Port portion. Still not satisfied enough with the Jet base info to say yes or no.

jandar
07-11-2006, 12:29 PM
Same thoughts here RG.
It could be akin to what the first couple of airports were.
Then again, could be a waste of space.

The Advantage Cecil has, even over the sites in other states that are already under planning is that everything has already been done.

Jason
07-11-2006, 12:36 PM
You're probably right Diane. Hopefully Bush can present the clout necessary to "convince" Peyton to make the jet base and spaceport happen... :rolleyes:

Jimmy
07-11-2006, 03:01 PM
The lame-duck governor-brother of a lame-duck president might not have quite the pull some would attribute to him... But, I commend all, especially Diane, for keeping their eyes on the bouncing ball.

CRD100
07-11-2006, 04:32 PM
What's the environmental impact of a spaceport? Sending a rocket into orbit at thousands of miles an hour combusts lots and lots of stuff, not to mention breaks the sound barrier, affecting surrounding people, animal, and plant communities. Space travel will become more prominent in the future, but at what cost to communities living near the launch sites? This is not a cost I want Jeb Bush to assume Jacksonville's citizens will take... -Claire

Jason
07-11-2006, 04:36 PM
These aren't going to be rocket launches so the impact is far less.

This is a clip from their site:

Cost is another factor to make space tourism of the moment not of the future. Burt adopted a much more efficient, and up to date approach to making his space craft, using composite materials as opposed to metals. The most important factor that brings us to the precipice of mass space exploration is safety. Burt has utilised a much safer fuel than ever before - nitrous oxide (laughing gas) and rubber. The two things separately are inert. Only when the nitrous oxide has been forced onto the rubber and then ignited will the motor start, producing its tremendous energy. This is much safer than liquid propulsion systems or solid fuel rockets.

JaxInvestor
07-11-2006, 08:16 PM
VoteJacksonville.com Coalition Lauds Governor's Smart, Visionary Idea of a Joint Use Jet Base/Spaceport Site at Cecil Field

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060711/cltu530.html?.v=32

Charles Hunter
07-11-2006, 08:28 PM
From what I recall, Jason is right - the launch vehicles will be [more or less] normal private jets, with the spacecraft riding piggyback. The launch vehicle could fly at sub-sonic speeds until it was over the Atlantic, then boost to space. Both vehicles - launch and space - would return like 'normal' jets or high performance gliders. Of course, there would be only a fraction of the operations (launches / landings) as a Master Jet Base.
If Cecil becomes a Space Port, it will be eligible for state funding that is only available to space ports (right now, there is only one) for roads and other infrastructure.

RADIO TALK SHOW HOST
07-11-2006, 10:25 PM
I think the biggest question here should be "WHO IS ON THE BOARD" and the next biggest is "WHAT FIANCIAL INTERESTS DO THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE HERE IN JAX" (or what do they gain at cecil)

remember being a board member of St Johns River Management** means you can lower standards to pollute the river and increase your profits. (he appointed exactly the people, you would LEAST want on the board, according to most people paying attention)

being on this board gets you what exactly??

lets work to appoint Bill Gay and our headache goes away

**usually referred to as St Johns River Mismanagement**

RADIO TALK SHOW HOST
07-11-2006, 10:38 PM
A space port at Cecil would have minimal impact in terms of job creation or economic impact, according to a TU article that came out a couple of months ago. The best thing to come out of it would be name recognition, for whatever that's worth.

Maybe then Orlando will have a slogan: orlando in the middle of the state, that no other city is so desprite to say, this state begins here..
see thread http://www.metjax.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1941&highlight=100%2C000