Judge John Marshall Meisburg for school board NOT afraid to be controversial

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here goes if I skipped a few I WOULDN'T be surprised;; I WOULD VOTE FOR HIM

BELIEVES IN RESTORING NEIGHBORHOOD SCHOOLS ,,no magnets +++++

PUT GODLY VALUES BACK IN SCHOOLS ++

WOULD WRITE IN GOD WE TRUST IN EVERY CLASSROOM +
(REMEMBER he is a judge and has no desire to tie us up in court)

WOULD TEACH THE HISTORY OF CHRISTIANITY AND U.S. GOVT.. +++++
(AS AN ELECTIVE)

THINKS GEORGE BUSH WILL GO DOWN IN HISTORY AS A GREAT PRES -

REMOVES SEX ED and will only teach abstinence -

CRITICAL OF HIRING WISE ++++

CRITICAL OF HOMOSEXUALS ++
(++ ONLY CONSIDERING it IS the school system)
(dissappointed of rumer of Wise, didn't accuse Wise)

WOULDN'T PAY SUPERINTENDENT $270,000 +++

SUPPORTS CORPORAL PUNISHMENT -

INCORPORATE GODLY HIRING PRACTICES ++
(++I AM really putting to much trust in his legal background maybe)

will get rid of 4 by 4 block scheduling ++++++

thinks more active gym classes could reduce retellian use ++++

gym every day +++

overall +++++
(a real breath of fresh air) if seven of him where running I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD WANT ALL SEVEN, I REALLY REALLY WANT 1

WWW.JUDGEMEISBURG.COM

[pearlstone]

Knowing nothing of him other than what you just listed here,
I wouldn't.

[Lunican]

So this guy will spend most of his time and energy on the school board attempting to violate the law.

[02Roadking]

Wow, go on vacation for a week and come back to a thread like this,(kidding) Hmmmmm.....Vote for this guy? NO, I mean HELL NO! :D

[Jimmy]

I would say that going on your show and exposing people to his views would cause anyone listening (other than his obvious plants who called in) to run screaming from him in the other direction. He's a scary, scary guy.

Whenever he said that he believes that the earth is only 6,000 years old... wow. And, he had the gaul to say that every scientific discovery of the last 20 years proves that to be so. And he wants to lead a school system that is trying to improve its image and the quality of education? Wow. I'm a Christian, but I can't deny reams and reams of scientific evidence that proves our world is older than 6,000 years. I mean, the first Americans came to this geography thousands of years prior to that. What do they call dinosars? Jesus-horses. (Thanks, SNL.)

Some of you may remember the Dover School Board news story. The board voted to teach "creationism" side-by-side with science. They were sued and the public, in the next election, voted everyone of them out. Thank God.

Why would Jacksonville knowingly send people to our school board who will land our schools in so much litigation that we'll be lucky to afford to keep the lights on in the schools, let alone pay the teachers? Just, wow. Nancy Broner. People need to send her campaign for re-election money -- now.

He kept talking about taking our schools back to the way they were in the 1950's. How are we supposed to move our city forward if our target is 50 years in the past? People love to believe in the idea of the good old days. My grandparents tell me all the time: there's no such thing. Our best days are ahead of us.

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EARTH 6000 YEARS OLD ---
I don't think that many people planted to call though.(if any) Thanks again Jimmy for listening and participating in the busiest show on the weekend 55calls 40 different individuals.

[Jimmy]

Dave, I enjoy your show. Even when the kooks call in (or, in this case, are guests). Everyone should have a chance to get their message out.

I thought that your first guest was EXCELLENT. He'd be good for the Council, based on what I heard.

[TheITSteve]

BELIEVES IN RESTORING NEIGHBORHOOD SCHOOLS ,,no magnets +++++
I can see both sides of this. Neighborhood schools are good, but there are a lot of benefits to magnets (you can offer more programs for less money)

PUT GODLY VALUES BACK IN SCHOOLS ++
So much for the whole church and state thing

WOULD WRITE IN GOD WE TRUST IN EVERY CLASSROOM +
See above

WOULD TEACH THE HISTORY OF CHRISTIANITY AND U.S. GOVT.. +++++
(AS AN ELECTIVE)
As long as an elective, but this sort of class is more suited for college

THINKS GEORGE BUSH WILL GO DOWN IN HISTORY AS A GREAT PRES -
This is somthing history will decide, and is not a campaign point

REMOVES SEX ED and will only teach abstinence -
Let's have a bunch of 18 year olds graduate high school that know nothing about sex except what they have learned on the streets. That seems like a good idea.

CRITICAL OF HIRING WISE ++++
Why?

CRITICAL OF HOMOSEXUALS ++
Again, Why?

WOULDN'T PAY SUPERINTENDENT $270,000 +++
School system is 8th largest in US (I believe). You have to pay somewhere near market rate, or talent will go elsewhere.

SUPPORTS CORPORAL PUNISHMENT -
Why don't we just go back to the days of putting the woman in the kitchen as well?

INCORPORATE GODLY HIRING PRACTICES ++
See the church & state thing

will get rid of 4 by 4 block scheduling ++++++
Totally disagree. I spent all 4 years of high shool on it, and it was great. I feel like it really prepared me for college, since usually in college, you only have 3 classes a day.

thinks more active gym classes could reduce retellian use ++++
What does "retellian" mean? (BTW, there is an edit button)

gym every day +++
Fine with this, but if I have to pick between paying for a math book and paying for Gym, I'm with the math book.

overall +++++
No thanks. BTW, Duval County has Middle and Elementary Schools as well. What about those

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retellian is that mind altering drug I can not spell even close enough spell check works

[pearlstone]

oh, Ritalin, is what I think he meant.

[Diane Melendez]

I think the best thing about Dave's show is that if it weren't for him I would not have been able to hear for myself the "mindnumbing" statements made by Mr. Meisburg. We now know who "NOT" to vote for! Here is one of those folks with a mind set that scares the h--- out of me. "HOLD ON TO YOUR VOTE DAVE" and save it for a person who "gets" the issues without trying to shove their personal agenda down the throats of our school children. You have to learn to hear between the words.

What came over the sound waves was a whole lot of I, I, I not We, We, We. Remember it is "We" the people! Any school board position is "one", I repeat "one" of the voices to be heard. This fellow with all the I, I, I 's apparently thinks that being elected to the school board would make him "King" of Jacksonville. Reality check needed here!

There are over 1,168 active churches in Duval County. Each with their own set of teachings and "strong" beliefs. There are also those who follow their own hearts and decide what their own spiritual path should or won't be. Here we were exposed to a person who spoke continually about "Godly" values. Whose definition of "Godly" values are we talking about? Your's....Mine....? No, here was an individual who if elected would plan on indoctrinating an entire school system to "His" personal belief system and "Christian values" as he repeated. Jacksonville is a community of different races and religions and should be respected as such. Remember the part of our history when folks came here to escape religious persecution? That this nation is one where people are free to worship as they please?
We all have that freedom built in and it is one to hold onto and respect.

There is alot of talk about "God" being taken out of the schools. If you hold "God" in your heart, no matter where you are "God" will be there. It is not possible to take "God" out of schools if you believe, "God is within". If you share those values with your children they too will know "God" is always with them. Those who do not carry "God" in their heart will not find him there or anywhere else and you know what, that is their right.

As one who knows and respects the power of the "Creator", I also understand that a spiritual base and prayer especially in these times, is necessary for balance and peace while negotiating daily life. Others may disagree or not believe at all. That again, is their right and I would never impose my beliefs upon them. This is still America!

What we need to look for in a School Board candidate is the education, understanding, creativity and "balance", to work to better our school system and give our children the best environment and education possible.

Listening to Mr Meisburg made me think of David Koresh and Jim Jones. I wonder if this fellow plans on serving our kids kool-aide!

[TheITSteve]

^Totally agree.

You know, something that also struck me is that if you look at the isues mentioned, are those really "Issues". What if you asked the Principals at Raines or Ribault or Jackson? Would they tell you that the issues above are the most important? I doubt it.

[RiversideGator]

Wow. It looks like everyone is piling on this guy. I didnt hear the show, so I dont feel qualified to comment on him, but I will comment on the comments.

First, the idea that schools cannot teach morality or have "In God We Trust" in the classrooms because of the "separation of church and state" (a phrase found nowhere in the US Constitution) is simply false. I wonder how many of you realize that several of the States which ratified that US Constitution had state churches? Did you also know that up until about 1960, New York City schools (!!!) recited the Lord's Prayer every day in the classroom. Oh, and were you aware that the Ten Commandments are inside the chambers of the US Supreme Court as part of the architecture of the building? So, this idea that the government must be strictly neutral as to religion is just not founded in American history at all, but rather is an idea that emanated from the radical, anti-religion left in the 1960s.

As for corporal punishment, this is another idea that the left hates because they are so concerned with the "self-esteem" of children that they refuse to discipline kids thereby turning them into petit dictators. Corporal punishment in schools has been an effective part of education since the founding of the Republic and is hardly the outlandish idea that some may claim. Kids need to be taught to respect authority (their parents, their teachers, the police, the law, etc) and paddling is a good way to do it. Respect for authority is a VERY important lesson which the school system does not impart very well these days. You can add this, Diane, to the reasons why the murder rate is out of control.

Ritalin: This is generally a substitute for the disclipline noted above, i.e. drugging them rather than patiently teaching them to have better attention spans and to focus. Anything used as a party drug in college probably isnt good for kids.

As for neighborhood schools, I really fail to understand how kids going to school in their neighborhoods is a controversial idea. This shows how far we have come down the road of insanity.

And finally, let's compare the main problems in the schools of the 1950s vs. the schools of today:

Top 3 problems in the 1950s:
Chewing gum in school
Talking in class
Kids smoking cigarettes in the bathrooms

Top 3 problems today in school:
Teen pregnancy
Guns/weapons/fights in school
Drug Use

[Jimmy]

And can you tell us, oh great historian, why the words "under God" were ADDED to the pledge of allegiance in 1954? To hear people go on about it today, you'd think those words were there since 1892, when it was written.

But none of this factoid and nothing in your post is really relevant.

RSG: Do you believe that the Earth is approximately 6,000 years old? And, assuming you do not, would you want a man who does believe so to set educational policy for this city?

[Diane Melendez]

Hey Riverside Gator!

This was one of those "You had to be there" situations or at least have heard it yourself to understand the reactions to Mr. Meisburg (as you wisely noted).

In my initial post I indicated that I am a baby boomer. I can clearly remember reciting the "Lords Prayer" in school, the pledge with "under God". Christmas was Christmas, Easter was Easter, Halloween meant "trick or treat" and no one worried about what sounded politically correct. By the way, in south Florida you could also be sent home from school if the stitching in your jeans was orange in color! Those were the days my friend, we thought they'd never end...And so it goes.

However the "50's" were to some degree an illusion. Folks agreed to agree that all politicians were honest, Kennedy did not sleep with Monroe and all good mommies stayed home. There was teenage pregnancy but those girls got sent away. There was child abuse and molestation as well. Remember the KKK and "Colored Only" waiting rooms. I try to forget myself. Alcohol was the "drug" of choice and tobacco companies swore that cigarettes did not cause cancer, the Marlboro man looked rather buff didn't he?

My point is that nothing is always as good or worked as well as we think when we remember the "good old days".

Discipline, yes that is very important. Still I would not trust anyone to "hit" my kids. By the way my husband and I raised two boys. Never beat them. One strong look usually got the point across. They both grew up knowing they were very loved, there were rules not to be broken and respect was paramount. Mom and Dad don't degrade each other and still give them a hug. They both have above genius IQ"s and are great people.

I will duly add "discipline" to the list of causes leading to murder. You are quite right that lack of discipline is one of the greatest problems facing our society. Kids and adults alike. The difficulty is that many have and are growing up in homes where families are devoid of rules and genuine caring and love. Children having children, drugs, grandmothers raising grandkids, no fathers (or men that can handle the responsibility of being a father), too many players and not enough parents..

You are correct about the ten commandments being posted in many public places but it should be noted that those same commandments have been ordered removed from many buildings. Whether we agree or not, this is how the law was interpreted. I personally have no problem with "In God we Trust" being on any of our public buildings. The problem I have is not with the positions being held by Mr. Meisburg. He can believe what he wants. What is a huge problem is that he would like to impose those beliefs on our school kids. Now that is a "No Go"! No Way, No how!

By the way, I am enjoying this forum and have found all of you to be interesting and insightful. I am still taking in all the input on the murder situation and will share it at upcoming meetings. Thanks so much!

[RiversideGator]

And can you tell us, oh great historian, why the words "under God" were ADDED to the pledge of allegiance in 1954? To hear people go on about it today, you'd think those words were there since 1892, when it was written.

But none of this factoid and nothing in your post is really relevant.

RSG: Do you believe that the Earth is approximately 6,000 years old? And, assuming you do not, would you want a man who does believe so to set educational policy for this city?

The phrase was added onto the Pledge to acknowledge what everyone had always known. This was also the time of the Cold War when the Communists were outlawing religion (by force). By the way, the bill was backed by our very own Congressman Charlie Bennett.

As for the earth being 6,000 years old, I dont know because I wasnt there at its creation. It certainly appears to be older than that. However, to me the age of the earth is not relevant to Who created the earth.

As for the Judge, I would be willing to accept this oddity if he was right on most issues (and he may be for me, I just need to do more research as I stated earlier). Also, at least the guy has a law degree so he probably isnt a complete idiot, unlike many of our elected officials.

[RiversideGator]

Hey Riverside Gator!

This was one of those "You had to be there" situations or at least have heard it yourself to understand the reactions to Mr. Meisburg (as you wisely noted).

In my initial post I indicated that I am a baby boomer. I can clearly remember reciting the "Lords Prayer" in school, the pledge with "under God". Christmas was Christmas, Easter was Easter, Halloween meant "trick or treat" and no one worried about what sounded politically correct. By the way, in south Florida you could also be sent home from school if the stitching in your jeans was orange in color! Those were the days my friend, we thought they'd never end...And so it goes.

However the "50's" were to some degree an illusion. Folks agreed to agree that all politicians were honest, Kennedy did not sleep with Monroe and all good mommies stayed home. There was teenage pregnancy but those girls got sent away. There was child abuse and molestation as well. Remember the KKK and "Colored Only" waiting rooms. I try to forget myself. Alcohol was the "drug" of choice and tobacco companies swore that cigarettes did not cause cancer, the Marlboro man looked rather buff didn't he?

My point is that nothing is always as good or worked as well as we think when we remember the "good old days".

Discipline, yes that is very important. Still I would not trust anyone to "hit" my kids. By the way my husband and I raised two boys. Never beat them. One strong look usually got the point across. They both grew up knowing they were very loved, there were rules not to be broken and respect was paramount. Mom and Dad don't degrade each other and still give them a hug. They both have above genius IQ"s and are great people.

I will duly add "discipline" to the list of causes leading to murder. You are quite right that lack of discipline is one of the greatest problems facing our society. Kids and adults alike. The difficulty is that many have and are growing up in homes where families are devoid of rules and genuine caring and love. Children having children, drugs, grandmothers raising grandkids, no fathers (or men that can handle the responsibility of being a father), too many players and not enough parents..

You are correct about the ten commandments being posted in many public places but it should be noted that those same commandments have been ordered removed from many buildings. Whether we agree or not, this is how the law was interpreted. I personally have no problem with "In God we Trust" being on any of our public buildings. The problem I have is not with the positions being held by Mr. Meisburg. He can believe what he wants. What is a huge problem is that he would like to impose those beliefs on our school kids. Now that is a "No Go"! No Way, No how!

By the way, I am enjoying this forum and have found all of you to be interesting and insightful. I am still taking in all the input on the murder situation and will share it at upcoming meetings. Thanks so much!


I think it is clear from the statistics that social pathology is far worse today than it was in the 1950s (i.e. out of wedlock births, murders and other crime) by any measurement and in any demographic group. Was it perfect then? Of course not and I never suggested this. Nothing created by man will ever be perfect. The issue is that some systems work better than others.

As for corporal punishment, I hope everyone understands that there is a difference between appropriate force and "beating" kids. People attempting to blur the lines is the problem here. A few swats with a paddle on the tail is a lot different than punches to the face, for example. Some kids may not need corporal punishment (like your kids), but many do.

Finally, with the Ten Commandments, the point I was making is that government and religion have not been at odds in this country until quite recently. This idea is a recent invention of the left. Do your own research if you do not believe me. The anti-religion left has used the Courts to accomplish what it could never do at the ballot boxes: to turn the government against religion.

[Jimmy]

I would say something more, but I really can't add anything to ProJax's insightful post. Excellent points.

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Neighborhood schools are nice, but neighborhood schools alone will not meet the court requirements for a unitary system. So to think that we can elminate magnets and other ways to bring our diverse community together is
interesting to discuss but it "aint" gonna happen.
EVEN IF you where absolutely correct about us not being able to acheive unitary(which I don't think we would ever get an honest answer on)(or what it would cost to fix) WE COULD CERTAINLY BUS LESS AND HAVE FEWER STUDENT ROLE MODELS BUSED TO MAGNETS
there is a ton of room between what we are doing now with magnets and what we could legally do to save gas money and keep more kids in their neighborhoods.
we are way way beyond doing as little busing as we can get away with.

[RiversideGator]

The "Left" of the sixties depended on religion for most of its momentum. For acceptance of all people, for anti-war efforts, for a concern that the wealthiest of nations had a responsiblity to its less fortunate and able people.

Harvey Cox, William Sloan Coffin, James Pike, Martin Luther King, James Lawson, Ralph Abernathy, The Ellsburg Brothers, were all men of the cloth, and were all leaders, in their own way, of the "left" of the sixties.

The sixties saw the culminaton of the "gospel of social Action" as espoused by Rev. Benjamin Mays of Atlanta(Pres. of Morehouse and Chair of the Atlanta School Board).


I agree that not all liberals are anti-religion, but many are and these are the people pushing the agenda about which I speak.

As we go through this long night of non enlightenment, wars based on lies, continuing attempts to eradicate a woman's right of choice regarding her body, it is fortunate that we had the radical sixties...

Of course, we can teach the world is only 6000 years old, that the holocaust was a myth, that slavery was valid and the bible does not speak against it, that the bible represents the sum of all religious knowledge in the world, that women enjoy being put in their place which is in the home, that only land owners should have the right to vote, and that the brain power of white people is so far beyond that of other races that only white people should rule

I am not sure what this has to do with whether or not we should have morality taught in school and enhanced discipline. Thanks for the nostalgic tour of the 60s though. We can debate infanticide elsewhere though. As to the rest of your screed, I really have no idea why you bring all of this up.

[RiversideGator]

By the way, regarding the out of wedlock birth rate in America, here is a chart which shows the changes in the last 60 years in the out of wedlock birth rate:

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Welfare/images/rector0315cht3a.jpg

I believe this validates my previous point regarding the increase in social pathology that has occured in the past 50 years. I am sure you would see a similar increase in the crime rates, although these have dropped a bit lately in some areas as a result of more aggressive policing.

[RiversideGator]

And here is the incarceration rate figures from the past 25 years:

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/incrt.gif

And the increase in the correctional population:

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/corr2.gif

Clearly, crime rates have recently fallen, but this is partially due to increased incarceration. So, we are great on punishment, but prevention is not working as well as it should. This is why teaching kids right from wrong in schools would really help out, in my opinion.

[Diane Melendez]

Hi Forum Members:

Apparently Mayor Peyton has decided to attend the "VERY LAST" information gathering meeting at JCCI tomorrow afternoon at 5:15. He has not attended a single meeting himself prior to this. His attendance was just announced via an email I recieved moments ago. Sheriff Rutherford will also be there. This is an open meeting and would be a great time for all of you to share with Mr. Peyton some of your concerns and share your great input. I will be there. Hope to meet some of you!

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IT IS SINFUL FOR THE MEDIA NOT TO TELL YOU THE WHOLE STORY.
THERES ANOTHER MAYORAL CANDIDATE,
MORE IMPORTANTLY THERE IS A SCHOOL BOARD CANDIDATE THAT WHATS TO PUT GODLY VALUES BACK IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS
JUDGE JOHN MEISBURG
was last weeks guest on a radio show called,
Because we still can change things,
Judge Meisburg IS REALLY A BREATH OF FRESH AIR
PLEASE TUNE IN AM1530 SATURDAYS
2-4PM THIS WEEK A CANDIDATE FOR SHERIFF AND THE BEST AT LARGE CITY COUNCIL WOMAN GLORIOUS JOHNSON
This flyer was printed without the knowledge or approval of anyone except the shows host
june 3rd; Suzanne Jenkins and Mike Weinstein ARE MY GUESTS
IF YOU DON'T HAVE A GOOD AM RADIO OR PREFER TO USE A COMPUTER WWW.WYMM1530.COM AM1530 IS A DAYLIGHT ONLY STATION
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NEIL ARMINGEON
(the riverkeeper)
is warning us, the DEP IS LOWERING THE STANDARDS FOR OUR ALREADY POLLUTED RIVER, THERE IS A MEETING 9:00 AM TOMMORROW 7825 BAYMEADOWS WAY
JUST ONE MORE EXAMPLE OF THE MEDIA DECIDING WHAT NOT TO TELL YOU ABOUT
IN THE YEAR I HAVE BEEN DOING MY SHOW NEIL HAS BEEN ON 3 TIMES


I HAVE HAD 10 CITY COUNCIL CANDIDATES ON, MOST CITY COUNCILMEN RUN UNOPPOSED DUE TO LACK OF EXPOSURE FOR NEW CANDIDATES.

BY THE WAY ON THE INTERNET

WWW.JUDGEMEISBURG.COM

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Judge Meisburg on show again Saturday should be interresting

[cafeexpress]

"As we go through this long night of non enlightenment, wars based on lies, continuing attempts to eradicate a woman's right of choice regarding her body, it is fortunate that we had the radical sixties.

Without the efforts of the sixties, our civil rights would be even more constrained, our government would not be held as accountable, and our lives would be a great deal different.

We need reactionaries, liberals, middle of t he roaders, conservatives and radicals to keep our nation moving forward with balance and dialogue."


May I borrow this for future use, this is one of the best ways I have seen in a long time, to promote a political view that is sometimes berrated?
Have a nice day also

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NO judge tommorrow after all